Weekly Friday Night Discussion Notes: 2/24/2012

Bismillah

Weekly Friday Night Discussion Notes:  2/24/2012

(written by Br. M. Sajjad S.)

IEC - Attendance: 20-25

*Introductions*

*Quran Recitation: Surah Kafiroon-Surah Naas (last two pages of Uthman Taha Quran, Surah Dukhan*

*Quran Competition:*

Food: Pizza Tempos

Murteza’s Discussion

How can you prove the need for an existence of a creator?

1.       Amir: Something cannot come into existence from nothing.

a.       Hawking Radiation: can be disproven because Hawking Radiation happens in a system surrounding it, but at the beginning of the universe the Hawking Radiation was not possible because there was no surrounding system.

2.       Emaun: The universe is based on a system, and a system needs a system administrator.

a.       Murteza: Do you have a great-great-great-great-great-grandmother? There is no scientific or physically proof for you having a great-great-great-great-great-grandmother. But there is logical proof for her existence through your existence.

3.       Chain of Causation:

a.       Every Effect must have a Cause. Everything around us is an effect and has effect. Therefore we have dependent existence and independent existence. Your existence depends on your parents and the on their parents etc….. all dependent on Allah (swt). Allah (swt) is independent of all.

          i.      What is the cause of God?

1.       Omid: a mathematical analogy is that in math many times we have the answers of infinity and zero. Well if we can have infinity in math than we can have infinite in real life too, which is the incomprehensible God.

          ii.      If our Creator had a creator then it would go on forever. Meaning that creation would never exist, because infinite creators must wait to be created. We would never exist because the chain of infinite causation would never reach us. That is why logically we need to have the SINGLE un-created Creator.

4.       Man, however flawed, still came up with the idea that their creations (example: phone) needs a “User’s manual” or “Handbook”. So this Creator, should He have not made a Manual for his creations?

a.       God would not make a system higher than our Logic and intellect then hold us accountable for it. This statement is based on the assumption that everything God expects from us is logically based. Those items which we cannot currently comprehend does not prove it to be illogical, rather we lack the needed perspective to fully understand God’s command, consequentially His logic behind it. It is for this reason we are at times left with no choice but to obey without full understanding of the commandment of God (due to our own lack of yearning for true incite for God all mighty).

Br. Ali Reza S’s Presentation

History/Aqa’id Discussion:

Question: Who was Obeidullah and Abdullah ibn Abbas?

Answer: Cousins of Imam Ali (as), the Abbasids descended from these two brothers. Abdullah was blessed with a lot of knowledge; he defended Imam Ali, Hasan, and Hussain (as). He grew very old but still protected the names of the Imams. Obeidullah was somewhat overshadowed by Abdullah’s great achievements. Unfortunately, Obeidullah and eight thousands of his followers accepted the bribe of Mu’awiyah to fight against Imam Hasan (as).

Question: Do Prophets other than Muhammad (saww) have very big miracles?

Answer: Yes, example Prophet Jesus (pbuh) speaking at young age to protect his mother and profess his prophethood.

Question: Why did the Prophet Muhammad (saww) marry Aayishah, and why was she so young? And why were the wives of the prophet (saww) allowed to remarry after the death of the propthet.

Answer: Aayishah was the only wife of the prophet (saww) that was not widowed before. Back then Age difference between man and woman was very common. All the Prophet’s (saww) wives were married to him because of Islamic gain. Many times Allah (SWT) commanded the Prophet (saww)  to marry many of his wives. The Qur’an uses the term “Ummul-Mu’mineen” Mother of the Believers, so they can not marry their own “sons”.  If the Prophet (saww) divorced the wife before his death they were allowed to remarry.

Question: Why wasn’t Hazrat Hurr able to convince his army to join Imam Hussain (as)?

Answer: The soldiers were not OWNED by Hurr, but rather they were just COMMANDED them. He didn’t even tell anyone that he was going to join Imam Hussain (as). He said he was going to feed his horse some water, but afterwards went towards the camp of Imam Hussain (as). Some narrations say that he did take his son(s).

Sports: We played 1.5 hours of basketball and 35 minutes of turf soccer 

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Comments, questions, concerns are all welcome.